Journals of the Senate
50 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2001, Canada
Journals of the Senate
1st Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 64
Tuesday, October 30, 2001
2:00 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Austin, Bacon, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Kinsella, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Milne, Moore, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Setlakwe, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Austin, Bacon, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, *Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finestone, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, *Keon, Kinsella, *Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, *LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Milne, Moore, *Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, *Robertson, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Setlakwe, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
The Honourable the Speaker informed the Senate that the Clerk of the Senate had tabled the following:
Statement of the Clerks Receipts and Disbursements for the Year Ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to Rule 133.—Sessional Paper No. 1/37-536S.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., tabled the following:
Document entitled: Yukon Northern Affairs Program Devolution Transfer Agreement.—Sessional Paper No. 1/37- 537S.
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance, tabled its Ninth Report (study on the role of the government in the financing of deferred maintenance costs in Canada's post- secondary institutions). —Sessional Paper No. 1/37-538S.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Di Nino, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Government Notices of Motions
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Finestone, P.C.:
That the Clerk's Accounts, tabled earlier this day, be referred to the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C.:
That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 1:30 p.m.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Introduction and First Reading of Government Bills
A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-34, An Act to establish the Transportation Appeal Tribunal of Canada and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.
The Bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator Gill moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Furey, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Cordy, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaPierre, for the third reading of Bill C-11, An Act respecting immigration to Canada and the granting of refugee protection to persons who are displaced, persecuted or in danger.
Debate.
COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
At 3:00 p.m., pursuant to the Order adopted October 25, 2001, the Senate was adjourned during pleasure and put into a Committee of the Whole in order to receive officials from the Department of National Defence and the Department of Public Works and Government Services for a briefing on the procurement process for maritime helicopters, the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool in the Chair.
—In the Committee—
Pursuant to Order, Mr. Allan Williams, Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel, Department of National Defence, and Ms Jane Billings, Assistant Deputy Minister, Supply Operations Service Branch, Department of Public Works and Government Services, were escorted to seats in the Senate Chamber.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Nolin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Comeau:
That the Committee of the Whole report to the Senate that it requests to meet on one or more additional occasions in order to hear from the following persons:
The Honourable Arthur Eggleton, Minister of National Defence; the Honourable Alphonso Gagliano, Minister of Public Works and Government Services; Lieutenant General George MacDonald, Vice Chief of Defence Staff; Lieutenant Colonel Wayne Smith, Maritime Helicopter Project Office; Colonel (Retired) Lee Myrhaugen, Coordinator of Friends of Maritime Aviation; Mr. Peter Smith, President, Aerospace Industry Association of Canada; and Brigadier General (Retired), Jim Hanson, Canadian Institute of Strategic Studies.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following division:
Yeas—14 Nays—34 Abstentions—0
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C.:
That the Chairman do now leave the Chair.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted on the following division:
Yeas—48 Nays—3 Abstentions—0
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The sitting of the Senate resumed.
Bills
The Senate resumed debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Cordy, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaPierre, for the third reading of Bill C-11, An Act respecting immigration to Canada and the granting of refugee protection to persons who are displaced, persecuted or in danger.
After debate,
In amendment, the Honourable Senator Andreychuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cochrane, that Bill C-11 be not now read a third time, but be read a third time on a day six months hence.
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Beaudoin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that further debate on the motion in amendment be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Notices of Motions.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Gustafson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Carney, P.C.:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry have power to sit while the Senate is sitting today, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-31, An Act to amend the Export Development Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.
The Bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bryden, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-32, An Act to implement the Free Trade Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Costa Rica, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.
The Bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Poulin, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Third reading of Bill S-31, An Act to implement agreements, conventions and protocols concluded between Canada and Slovenia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Peru, Senegal, the Czech Republic, the Slovak Republic and Germany for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion with respect to taxes on income.
The Honourable Senator Poulin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Poy, that the Bill be read the third time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Corbin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Day, for the second reading of Bill C-6, An Act to amend the International Boundary Waters Treaty Act.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Spivak moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Nolin, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 2 and 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
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Ordered, That all remaining Orders be postponed until the next sitting.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Report of the Security Intelligence Review Committee for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. C-23, s. 53. —Sessional Paper No. 1/37-534.
Report of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, together with the Auditor General's report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency Act, S.C. 1997, c. 6, s. 23.—Sessional Paper No. 1/37-535.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C.:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 7:05 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs
The names of the Honourable Senators Phalen and Poy substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Cools and Léger (October 24).
The names of the Honourable Senators Pearson, Cools and Fraser substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Chalifoux, Phalen and Poy (October 25).
Standing Senate Committee on Defence and Security
The names of the Honourable Senators Léger, Hubley and Pépin substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Pépin, Wiebe and Day (October 24).
The names of the Honourable Senators Day and Wiebe substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Léger and Hubley (October 28).
The name of the Honourable Senator Nolin substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Atkins (October 29).
Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages
The name of the Honourable Senator Rivest substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Bolduc (October 25).
The name of the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool substituted for that of the Honourable Senator LaPierre (October 28).
Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations
The name of the Honourable Senator Kinsella substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Stratton (October 25).
Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries
The name of the Honourable Senator Chalifoux removed from the membership (October 25).
Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights
The name of the Honourable Senator Watt removed from the membership (October 25).
The name of the Honourable Senator Jaffer substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth (October 28).
The name of the Honourable Senator Joyal added to the membership (October 28).
Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources
The name of the Honourable Senator Kenny substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Cook (October 25).
Special Committee of the Senate on the Subject-Matter of Bill C-36
The name of the Honourable Senator Furey substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Finestone (October 25).
The names of the Honourable Senators Lynch-Staunton, Finestone, Jaffer and Finestone substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Tkachuk, Jaffer, Finestone and Furey (October 29).
Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology
The name of the Honourable Senator Callbeck substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Robichaud (October 28).
Standing Senate Committee on National Finance
The names of the Honourable Senators Tunney, Furey, Banks, Ferretti Barth substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Day, Christensen, Moore and De Bané (October 28).
The name of the Honourable Senator Day substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Furey (October 30).
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The name of the Honourable Senator Robertson substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Atkins (October 29).
Special Committee of the Senate on Illegal Drugs
The name of the Honourable Senator Forrestall substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Carney (October 29).
Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
The name of the Honourable Senator Atkins substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Nolin (October 30).